Different perspective on Woodard's performance

[TBonesLU]

Ray Woodard’s nine wins (9-14) are tied for the second-best two year
start in Lamar history for a head coach.
Vernon Glass, Lamar’s all-time winningest coach with 63 wins, led
the Cards to 11 wins over his first two years.
Woodard is tied with Larry Kennan who went 9-11-2 over his first
two years.

^^^This is from the game notes vs. Prairie View A&M. It's nice to keep in mind that he is second in this stat, but also that he has accomplished that in two years as a start-up after 21 years of no team. I know the competition hasn't been overly impressive, but it's still something we can take from his tenure here so far.

[Crawfish]

IMO, the jury is still out on Coach Woddard because several of those wins were against non-FCS competition. The lopsided losses last year against league teams also put the team in a negative light. This year the Cards need to show they can compete against every Southland conference team, if not win at least make it a good game.

If things look the same after the 2013 season.. there is definitely an issue. I think that Woodard gets a pass again this year, but next year progress needs to be seen.

[TBonesLU]

[quote author=Crawfish link=topic=37481.msg43175#msg43175 date=1347032636]
IMO, the jury is still out on Coach Woddard because several of those wins were against non-FCS competition. The lopsided losses last year against league teams also put the team in a negative light. This year the Cards need to show they can compete against every Southland conference team, if not win at least make it a good game.

If things look the same after the 2013 season.. there is definitely an issue. I think that Woodard gets a pass again this year, but next year progress needs to be seen.
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Good post

[Mr.KnowItAll]

I agree with crawfish's post. And would like to add Lamar has never had a good football team. For most of our football existence we have been bad so tied for 2nd in wins isn't saying much. We are shooting for more.

[puddin tane]

Sam and/SFA stomp us again by 50,60+...woodard is toast

[coachacola]

Georgia State started in 2010 just like Lamar and they got killed at home by an average South Carolina State team from the MEAC conference. They also lost to a non-D1 team last year. They did beat Lamar in 2010, but that was a home game for them and Lamar almost pulled out a win.

I agree with puddin tane, anymore blowout losses to SHSU and/or SFA will get him fired. But I think he'll be around for at least another year because next year's team will be an experienced group with high expectations.

[puddin tane]

hmm...or Old dominion..27-8 since restarting...went to playoffs in 3rd yr.

[BigRed2010]

[quote author=puddin tane link=topic=37481.msg43208#msg43208 date=1347054873]
hmm...or Old dominion..27-8 since restarting...went to playoffs in 3rd yr.
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ODU has done well, good for them. Not sure what the connection is to LU, though.

[cardinal]

[quote author=BigRed2010 link=topic=37481.msg43219#msg43219 date=1347070830]
[quote author=puddin tane link=topic=37481.msg43208#msg43208 date=1347054873]
hmm...or Old dominion..27-8 since restarting...went to playoffs in 3rd yr.
[/quote]
ODU has done well, good for them. Not sure what the connection is to LU, though.
[/quote]

really? you dont get the connection?

[CardAmbassador]

this whole thread is premature.

[BigRed2010]

[quote author=cardinal link=topic=37481.msg43224#msg43224 date=1347072157]
[quote author=BigRed2010 link=topic=37481.msg43219#msg43219 date=1347070830]
[quote author=puddin tane link=topic=37481.msg43208#msg43208 date=1347054873]
hmm...or Old dominion..27-8 since restarting...went to playoffs in 3rd yr.
[/quote]
ODU has done well, good for them. Not sure what the connection is to LU, though.
[/quote]

really? you dont get the connection?
[/quote]

The connection I get is that puddin is ready to run Coach Woodard off. I believe in giving a man a fair chance to succeed. Two years and one game into the third year is not fair IMO.

[puddin tane]

...coachacola made a reference to a start-up program...I made a reference to a start-up program :o

[BigRed2010]

[quote author=puddin tane link=topic=37481.msg43185#msg43185 date=1347045727]
Sam and/SFA stomp us again by 50,60+...woodard is toast
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If they do beat us by 50, 60+ this year, it would be okay with you to fire him?

[BigNasty92]

[quote author=BigRed2010 link=topic=37481.msg1#msg1 date=1347079789]
[quote author=puddin tane link=topic=37481.msg43185#msg43185 date=1347045727]
Sam and/SFA stomp us again by 50,60+...woodard is toast
[/quote]

If they do beat us by 50, 60+ this year, it would be okay with you to fire him?
[/quote]


If they do again this year, I think he gets a pass because of the coaching changes and new offense, etc... Next year? ABSOLUTELY.

[JJWooten]

[quote author=BigNasty92 link=topic=37481.msg43251#msg43251 date=1347122357]
[quote author=BigRed2010 link=topic=37481.msg1#msg1 date=1347079789]
[quote author=puddin tane link=topic=37481.msg43185#msg43185 date=1347045727]
Sam and/SFA stomp us again by 50,60+...woodard is toast
[/quote]

If they do beat us by 50, 60+ this year, it would be okay with you to fire him?
[/quote]


If they do again this year, I think he gets a pass because of the coaching changes and new offense, etc... Next year? ABSOLUTELY.
[/quote]

That's the problem, every year you can blame it on some other facet, but at the end of the day, he's responsible for the WHOLE program. At some point, he'll become the only common denominator.