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    What's To Become of Baylor Football?

    We are all aware of the firing of Art Briles as head football coach of Baylor last week. It's a sad tale of a program that was out of control. As is usually the case, a few bad apples make the whole pie stink and I'm pretty sure this was true in this case. Art Briles is known as a guy who likes to give people a second chance and this very noble because as an 18 year old your judgment may not be the best in the world but you also need a standard, a line if you will, players cannot cross or they are gone. Second chances carry with them limits. If I had a daughter at Baylor there is a good chance she wouldn't be going there long considering what the players on the football team did assaulting women on campus. This isn't just an Art Briles problem because the AD and higher ups had to know what was happening on their campus and they did little or nothing about it. There is no doubt Briles is a really good football coach. He has won at every level he's coached but for him to have an elite football program, to compete with the big boys in the Power 5 conferences he had to take chances on players of questionable character. Now you may have a shady background but if the proper structure is in place you can overcome that but if you're allowed to go about the things that looked shady and, if fact, you knew coaches looked the other way while you did that stuff then it's hard not be shady, or worse, within that system. I think somebody will hire Briles again but it may take a year or two for the dust to settle on this but whoever does hire him will have to make sure he runs his program better than he did at Baylor. The proof of Briles coaching ability is there for all to see with a perennially nationally ranked team and a lot of his players going to the NFL, not to mention coaching a Heisman Trophy winner. The flip side of the coin is he didn't have control of the team when they were gone from the practice field or the weight room. There certainly were no consequences for players who did the things that got Briles fired.
    The AD of the Baylor Bears, Ian McCaw resigned shortly after Baylor named Jim Grobe the interim head coach. In a statement McCaw said that he felt the Baylor athletics program needed a fresh start so the school could go about the business of healing after the serious scandals that have occurred recently. In other words the school gave him the option of being fired or resigning. McCaw fell on his sword for the good of the school and, let's face it, for the good of his reputation.
    Baylor is no stranger to program crippling scandal. In 2003 a Baylor basketball player shot and killed a teammate. The effect of the murder on the Baylor basketball program was rocked in the wake of the murder when it was found that the Bears head coach Dave Bliss was guilty of numerous recruiting violations, making payments to players and allegations of drug use were rampant. Bliss had also been involved in scandals at SMU when all the programs received the football program was given the death penalty by the NCAA for recruiting violations, Bliss and basketball program was in the thick of that as well. Apparently the people responsible for hiring coaches at Baylor have very low standards. Or, it goes to show you that if the money is right people will look the other way, at least until they are caught.
    It's being reported that Jim Grobe won't have the interim label long. Grobe is a highly respected coach with an impeccable character. He is the former head coach of Wake Forest from 2001 to 2013 and he was named ACC Coach of the Year in 2006. The problem is he had an overall record of 77-83 which is not what you want to see and he resigned from Wake Forest in 2013 after posting 5 consecutive losing seasons.
    Since Briles has been fired there have been several players who had committed to the Baylor program de-commit. This is huge blow to the university and the loss of the reputation of the school along with the lost revenue because nobody knows what Baylor is going to be in the future is a real kick in the gut for the folks in Waco.
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    Re: What's To Become of Baylor Football?

    There is some speculation that Art Briles man not really be fired. It is being reported that he was suspended pending termination. There have been rumblings that Baylor muckety-mucks want Briles back. The governing board of Baylor met this week but they did not vote on whether or not Briles should be allowed to come back and coach the football team. It's a clear example of the old saying, money talks-bullshit walks. This is about relevancy of the Baylor football program and the huge amount of money that program has generated since Briles took over 8 years ago. For the life of the Baylor program they were just a doormat for Texas and Arkansas in the old Southwest Conference days and they morphed into the doormat of the Big 12 powerhouses of Oklahoma and Texas and Nebraska. Times change and since Briles has come to town Nebraska jumped to the Big 10, Texas has fallen on hard times and Oklahoma continues to be at the top of the Big 12 but unable to win outside of the conference. Briles and his Baylor Bears have been a top 10 team in the nation and the program has lined the pockets of the school as a result of their success. Who cares if a few women got their feelings hurt in dealings with a couple of football players, Baylor was a relevant football power, not just in Texas, in the nation! That football relevance translates into some serious dinero for Baylor and I'll bet the alumni and, secretly, the school don't want that to change.
    Now, it was clear that Baylor suspended and fired (?) Briles as part of and attempt to show the NCAA that they had taken action to punish those responsible for the actions of the players and the players themselves to avoid the dreaded 'Death Penalty' that many in the media were calling for when this issue came to light. The death penalty would absolutely kill Baylor football pretty much like it did to the SMU football program. SMU was like Baylor, a national power with it's "Pony Express" running back tandem of Eric Dickerson and Craig James who actually won national championships in 1981 and 1982 but the alumni wouldn't stop paying players and giving them stuff despite warnings from the NCAA and the roof came crashing down on the school and the football program has never been the same since. They aren't even in the Big 12 and haven't been since it was formed in 1996. SMU was in the old Southwest Conference but they were such a weak sister they didn't make the cut when the Big 8 and the SWC merged. They are in the American Athletic Conference after spending years in Conference USA. So you can't blame the bigwigs at Baylor for hoping to avoid the death penalty when they look at what happened just up the road from them. Secretly, I'll be they are hoping that they can avoid the death penalty AND figure out a way to keep Briles so the football program and the cash it brings in can keep rolling along.

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    Re: What's To Become of Baylor Football?

    It was made official 3 days ago. Art Briles has been officially fired as head football coach of the Baylor Bears where he went 65-37 in 8 seasons. This includes 2 outright or shared Big 12 Championships in 2013 and 2014 and top ten rankings which were heretofore unheard of at Baylor. The school and Briles both admitted their response to sexually misconduct was seriously lacking and it has resulted in multiple lawsuits from female students at Baylor.

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/...exual-violence

    So, Jim Grobe is the head man at Baylor and he's watched several top recruits change their minds and wriggle out of their letters of intent as a result of the suspension and likely firing of Briles way back in May. So what kind of coach is Jim Grobe? I don't know but I figured Wiki would give the best overview of the man which should give you an inkling of what's to come at Baylor this fall.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Grobe

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